Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally

Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally
Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally

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We discuss: how 10-yr yields are running out of reasons to rise at a time when Fed-speak has distinctively turned dovish.  And P/E multiples for stocks are just not that demanding.

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Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally

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I agree with the views stated by Paul Tudor Jones, iconic macro investor, on CNBC Tuesday morning. He stated “this might be the most threatening and challenging geopolitical environment that I’ve ever seen” — he went on to explain that the unsustainable fiscal deficit coupled with geopolitical risks at the hands of unstable nuclear regimes does not make a great macro environment. The macro picture has been challenging since the start of 2022, and in 2023, arguably has deteriorated as the Ukraine war drags on and we have the political circus in the US, and now the Israel-Gaza war.

  • However, equity markets have been dealing with this for 22 months now, and despite these headwinds, we are still constructive on stocks into YE. Over the past 5 trading sessions, the S&P 500 has shown a positive resilience not seen since late July (something we flagged last week).
  • As we mentioned last week, these are signs of equity seller exhaustion. That is, the growing pessimism and risk control behavior means investors have been de-risking steadily since late July. And the signs of the end of this process is the fact:
    – Wed and Thu last week: markets opened soft and closed near highs
    – Friday jobs: “hot jobs” and markets reversed higher into close
    – Monday War: equity markets opened soft and reversed higher
    – Tuesday: equity market breadth expanded
  • There are two big changes in the past week, in our view, that have provided new incremental support for equities:
    – first, interest rates are running out of reasons to relentlessly rise
    – second, Fed-speak in the past week is distinctly dovish, reversing Powell’s hawkish FOMC
  • The day of the Sept FOMC (9/20), US 10-yr yields were 4.31% and post “higher for longer” presser, surged to 4.89%. An explosive rise in rates. This pressured equities and raised the probability for a hard landing, in the views of many economists. Since the peak last week, yields have now fallen to 4.64%, right near the 4.60% level that marks a 50% retracement (or downturn). Why are rates cooling off?
    – Israel-Gaza war adds downside risk to consumer confidence and economy
    – Oil has pulled back sharply from near $100 to mid-$80s
    – Plenty of signs of weaker US consumer
    – Sept jobs upside part-time jobs and wages weak
  • Since Oct 2, 5 Fed-speak FOMC members have made dovish comments and many suggested the rise in long-term yields is providing sufficient tightening (of financial conditions) enough to end future hikes:
    – 10/2: Michael Barr –> dovish
    – 10/4: Richard Clarida –> dovish
    – 10/9: Philip Jefferson –> dovish
    – 10/9: Lorie Logan –> dovish
    – 10/10: Raphael Bostic –> dovish
  • If this is what transpires, this would be bullish for equities. Why? This cycle is all about breaking the back of inflation, not breaking the economy. And inflation was fueled by many supply dynamics that are ending. Thus, the sooner the Fed stops hiking, the sooner the earnings recovery can start. I realize this is a minority view. But to us, this explains why stocks are up 14% this year.
  • We get a lot of macro data this week including:
    – 10/11: Sept PPI (Wed)
    – 10/11: Sept FOMC minutes (thanks Tom Block)
    – 10/12: Sept CPI (Thu) and
    – 10/13: U Mich inflation (Fri)
  • So there will be many incoming impacts to markets. But the reversal of the last 5 trading days is encouraging. The last 5 trading days showed markets rising in the face of bad news.
  • Mark Newton, Head of Technical Strategy, also believes odds favor an equity low. In fact, he believes S&P 500 could rise to 4,607 in the next 3-4 weeks. This would be a violent and painful surge.

Bottom line: We remain constructive into YE and investors likely adding risk over next few weeks

It has been a rough period late-July to end of September. And a painful drawdown. As we highlighted last week, we sensed exhaustion in selling, based upon our many conversations. And we are seeing some confirmation this week with the softer VIX (17 yesterday), falling yields and cooling oil.

Lastly, we all pray for quick resolution to this war and the protection of civilians and soldiers from needless tragedy. Sometimes, it seems like the world has lost its decency and humanity.

Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally
Source: X.com

Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally
Source: X.com

Fed-speak has become outright dovish…

Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally
Source: Fundstrat and various media

Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally

Mark Newton sees 4,607 before a pause

Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally
Source: Fundstrat

Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally
Fed-speak unwinding hawkish ripples since Sept FOMC. Adding case for a downturn in yields = P/E expansion ahead = supports YE rally

Key incoming data October

  •  10/2 10am ET September ISM ManufacturingTame
  •  10/3 10am ET JOLTS Job Openings AugustHot
  •  10/4 10am ET September ISM ServicesTame
  •  10/6 8:30am ET September Jobs ReportMixed
  •  10/6 9am ET Manheim Used Vehicle Index September FinalTame
  • 10/10 11am NY Fed Inflation ExpectationsMixed
  •  10/11 8:30am ET September PPI
  •  10/11 2pm ET Sep FOMC Meeting Minutes
  •  10/12 8:30am ET September CPI
  •  10/13 10am ET U. Mich. September prelim 1-yr inflation
  •  10/16 8:30am ET October Empire Manufacturing Survey
  •  10/17 8:30am ET October New York Fed Business Activity Survey
  •  10/17 9am ET Manheim October Mid-Month Used Vehicle Value Index
  •  10/17 10am ET October NAHB Housing Market Index
  •  10/19 8:30am ET October Philly Fed Business Outlook Survey
  •  10/24 9:45am ET S&P Global PMI October Prelim
  •  10/26 8:30am ET 3Q 2023 GDP Advance
  •  10/27 8:30am ET September PCE
  •  10/27 10:00am ET Oct F UMich Sentiment and Inflation expectation
  •  10/30 10:30am ET Dallas Fed September Manufacturing Activity Survey
  •  10/31 9am ET August S&P CoreLogic CS home price
  •  10/31 10am ET October Conference Board Consumer Confidence

Key incoming data September

  •  9/1 8:30am ET August Jobs ReportTame
  •  9/1 10am ET August ISM ManufacturingTame
  •  9/6 10am ET August ISM ServicesMixed
  •  9/6 2pm ET Fed releases Beige BookTame
  •  9/8 9am ET Manheim Used Vehicle Index August FinalTame
  •  9/8 2Q23 Fed Flow of Funds ReportTame
  •   9/13 8:30am ET August CPIMixed
  •  9/14 8:30am ET August PPITame
  •  9/15 8:30am ET September Empire Manufacturing SurveyTame
  •  9/15 10am ET U. Mich. September prelim 1-yr inflationTame
  •  9/18 8:30am ET September New York Fed Business Activity SurveyTame
  •  9/18 10am ET September NAHB Housing Market IndexTame
  •  9/19 9am ET Manheim September Mid-Month Used Vehicle Value IndexMixed
  •  9/20 2pm ET September FOMC rates decisionMarket saw Hawkish
  •  9/21 8:30am ET September Philly Fed Business Outlook SurveyMixed
  •  9/22 9:45am ET S&P Global PMI September Prelim
  •  9/25 10:30am ET Dallas Fed September Manufacturing Activity Survey
  •  9/26 9am ET July S&P CoreLogic CS home price
  •  9/26 10am ET September Conference Board Consumer Confidence

Key incoming data August

  • 8/1 10am ET July ISM ManufacturingTame
  • 8/1 10am ET JOLTS Job Openings JunTame
  • 8/2 8:15am ADP National Employment ReportHot
  • 8/3 10am ET July ISM ServicesTame
  • 8/4 8:30am ET July Jobs reportTame
  • 8/7 11am ET Manheim Used Vehicle Index July FinalTame
  • 8/10 8:30am ET July CPITame
  • 8/11 8:30am ET July PPITame
  • 8/11 10am ET U. Mich. July prelim 1-yr inflation Tame
  • 8/11 Atlanta Fed Wage Tracker JulyTame
  • 8/15 8:30am ET Aug Empire Manufacturing SurveyMixed 
  • 8/15 10am ET Aug NAHB Housing Market IndexTame
  • 8/16 8:30am ET Aug New York Fed Business Activity SurveyNeutral
  • 8/16 2pm ET FOMC MinutesMixed 
  • 8/17 8:30am ET Aug Philly Fed Business Outlook SurveyPositive
  • 8/17 Manheim Aug Mid-Month Used Vehicle Value IndexTame
  • 8/23 9:45am ET S&P Global PMI Aug PrelimWeak
  • 8/25 10am ET Aug Final U Mich 1-yr inflationMixed
  • 8/28 10:30am ET Dallas Fed Aug Manufacturing Activity SurveyTame
  • 8/29 9am ET June S&P CoreLogic CS home priceTame
  • 8/29 10am ET Aug Conference Board Consumer ConfidenceTame
  • 8/29 10 am ET Jul JOLTSTame
  • 8/31 8:30am ET July PCETame
  • 9/1 8:30am ET August NFP jobs report
  • 9/1 10am ET August ISM Manufacturing

Key incoming data July

  • 7/3 10am ET June ISM ManufacturingTame
  • 7/6 8:15am ADP National Employment Report Hot
  • 7/6 10am ET June ISM ServicesTame
  • 7/6 10 am ET May JOLTSTame
  • 7/7 8:30am ET June Jobs reportMixed
  • 7/10 11am ET Manheim Used Vehicle Index June FinalTame
  • 7/12 8:30am ET June CPITame
  • 7/13 8:30am ET June PPITame
  • 7/13 Atlanta Fed Wage Tracker JuneTame
  • 7/14 10am ET U. Mich. June prelim 1-yr inflationMixed
  • 7/17 8:30am July Empire Manufacturing Survey
  • 7/18 8:30am July New York Fed Business Activity Survey
  • 7/18 10am July NAHB Housing Market Indexin-line
  • 7/18 Manheim July Mid-Month Used Vehicle Value IndexTame
  • 7/25 9am ET May S&P CoreLogic CS home priceTame
  • 7/25 10am ET July Conference Board Consumer ConfidenceTame
  • 7/26 2pm ET July FOMC rates decisionTame
  • 7/28 8:30am ET June PCE Tame
  • 7/28 8:30am ET 2Q ECI Employment Cost Index Tame
  • 7/28 10am ET July Final U Mich 1-yr inflation Tame

Key data from June

  • 6/1 10am ET May ISM ManufacturingTame
  • 6/2 8:30am ET May Jobs reportTame
  • 6/5 10am ET May ISM ServicesTame
  • 6/7 Manheim Used Vehicle Value Index MayTame
  • 6/9 Atlanta Fed Wage Tracker AprilTame
  • 6/13 8:30am ET May CPITame
  • 6/14 8:30am ET May PPITame
  • 6/14 2pm ET April FOMC rates decisionTame
  • 6/16 10am ET U. Mich. May prelim 1-yr inflationTame
  • 6/27 9am ET April S&P CoreLogic CS home priceTame
  • 6/27 10am ET June Conference Board Consumer ConfidenceTame
  • 6/30 8:30am ET May PCETame
  • 6/30 10am ET June Final U Mich 1-yr inflationTame

Key data from May

  • 5/1 10am ET April ISM Manufacturing (PMIs turn up)Positive inflection
  • 5/2 10am ET Mar JOLTSSofter than consensus
  • 5/3 10am ET April ISM ServicesTame
  • 5/3 2pm Fed May FOMC rates decisionDovish
  • 5/5 8:30am ET April Jobs reportTame
  • 5/5 Manheim Used Vehicle Value Index AprilTame
  • 5/8 2pm ET April 2023 Senior Loan Officer Opinion SurveyBetter than feared
  • 5/10 8:30am ET April CPITame
  • 5/11 8:30am ET April PPITame
  • 5/12 10am ET U. Mich. April prelim 1-yr inflation Tame
  • 5/12 Atlanta Fed Wage Tracker April Tame
  • 5/24 2pm ET May FOMC minutesDovish
  • 5/26 8:30am ET PCE April Tame
  • 5/26 10am ET U. Mich. April final 1-yr inflation Tame
  • 5/31 10am ET JOLTS April job openings

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