S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent "local tops" are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

Video: We have been in Seoul this week meeting with investors. To us, it seems like many have expressed concerns about a possible market top given the weakness in AI stocks this week. But low conviction is rarely a sign of a top and we believe equities have more room to gain before a local top.

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The S&P 500 is down each of the last 3 trading days, down -2% from its recent peak, with greater weakness seen in AI and technology stocks. To us, this is just normal and healthy consolidation, particularly after the strong gains since April. Month to date, the S&P 500 is still up a very healthy +2.2%.

  • I am in South Korea this week, speaking with investors (mostly high net worth, but some institutional) and many asked us whether we have reached “peak AI” — mainly, because many of the largest MAG7/AI names have seen profit taking this week. To me, this is healthy to see. We are hardly at peaks when investors start to question their conviction at every pullback. And as we have written about in the past, with NVDA 5.99%  forward P/E of 26.6X, we hardly consider this extended when WMT -0.17%  and COST -0.84%  have forward P/E of ~40X-50X.
  • Currently, the S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-day moving average. Since the Oct 2022 lows, we have seen the S&P 500 make a “local top” when this figure is above 13%:
    – July 18, 2023 –> 13%, local top
    – March 22, 2024 –> 14%, local top
    – July 16, 2024 –> 15%, local top
  • So at 10%, the S&P 500 is just not that extended. If we were to look at the implied “local top” and use the 15% level, this implies a “local top” level of 6,950. This is consistent with our year-end target of 6,800-7,000 at the moment.
  • As for upcoming potential catalyst, the market will focus on August Core PCE on Friday (8:30am ET). Street consensus is looking for +0.23% MoM (or 2.76% annualized) and this is down from +0.27% last month. So while tariff-effects are working their way through inflation, the level of inflation is still modest.
  • There are some important Macro Events this week, most important is the PCE on Friday:
    – 9/22 Mon 8:30 AM ET: Aug Chicago Fed Nat Activity Index    -0.12 vs -0.15e
    – 9 /23 Tue 9:45 AM ET: Sep P S&P Global Manufacturing PMI    52.0 vs 52.0e
    – 9/23 Tue 9:45 AM ET: Sep P S&P Global Services PMI    53.9 vs 4.0e
    – 9/23 Tue 10:00 AM ET: Sep Richmond Fed Manufacturing Survey    -17 vs -5e
    – 9/23 Tue 12:35 PM ET: Powell Speaks on Economic Outlook
    – 9/24 Wed 10:00 AM ET: Aug New Home Sales    800k vs 650ke
    – 9/25 Thu 8:30 AM ET: 2Q T GDP QoQ    3.8% vs 3.3%e
    – 9/25 Thu 8:30 AM ET: Aug P Durable Goods Orders MoM    2.9% vs -0.3%e
    – 9/25 Thu 10:00 AM ET: Aug Existing Home Sales    4m vs 4me
    – 9/25 Thu 11:00 AM ET: Sep Kansas City Fed Manufacturing Survey 4 vs 2e
    – 9/26 Fri 8:30 AM ET: Aug Core PCE MoM    0.23%e
    – 9/26 Fri 10:00 AM ET: Sep F U. Mich. 1yr Inf Exp    4.8%e
  • By the way, next week is a heavy week of data. Look at the key things on the slate. It is a lot. We have important Jobs data releases including JOLTS on Tuesday and the BLS Report on Friday:
    – 9/29 Mon 10:30 AM ET: Sep Dallas Fed Manuf. Activity Survey
    – 9/30 Tue 9:00 AM ET: Jul S&P CS home price 20-City MoM -0.10%e
    – 9/30 Tue 10:00 AM ET: Sep Conference Board Consumer Confidence 96e
    – 9/30 Tue 10:00 AM ET: Aug JOLTS Job Openings 7100ke
    – 10/1 Wed 9:45 AM ET: Sep F S&P Global Manufacturing PMI
    – 10/1 Wed 10:00 AM ET: Sep ISM Manufacturing PMI 49.2e
    – 10/2 Thu 10:00 AM ET: Aug F Durable Goods Orders MoM
    – 10/3 Fri 8:30 AM ET: Sep Non-farm Payrolls 50ke
    – 10/3 Fri 9:45 AM ET: Sep F S&P Global Services PMI
    – 10/3 Fri 10:00 AM ET: Sep ISM Services PMI 52.0e

BOTTOM LINE: Still “most hated rally”

This still remains the “most hated” V-shaped stock rally. As for what we would buy

  • MAG7 & Bitcoin & Ethereum
  • Industrials
  • Financials: Large-cap and regional banks
  • Small-caps
S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top
S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top
S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

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S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

Key Incoming Data September:

  • 9/2 9:45 AM ET: Aug F S&P Global Manufacturing PMI Tame
  • 9/2 10:00 AM ET: Aug ISM Manufacturing PMI Tame
  • 9/3 10:00 AM ET: Jul F Durable Goods Orders Tame
  • 9/3 10:00 AM ET: Jul JOLTS Job Openings Tame
  • 9/3 2:00 PM ET: Sep Fed Releases Beige Book Tame
  • 9/4 8:30 AM ET: Jul Trade Balance Tame
  • 9/4 8:30 AM ET: 2Q F Unit Labor Costs Tame
  • 9/4 8:30 AM ET: 2Q F Non-Farm Productivity Tame
  • 9/4 9:45 AM ET: Aug F S&P Global Services PMI Tame
  • 9/4 10:00 AM ET: Aug ISM Services PMI Tame
  • 9/5 8:30 AM ET: Aug Non-Farm Payrolls Tame
  • 9/8 9:00 AM ET: Aug F Manheim Used Vehicle Index Tame
  • 9/8 11:00 AM ET: Aug NY Fed 1yr Inf Exp Tame
  • 9/9 6:00 AM ET: Aug Small Business Optimism Survey Tame
  • 9/10 8:30 AM ET: Aug Core PPI Tame
  • 9/11 8:30 AM ET: Aug Core CPI Mixed
  • 9/12 10:00 AM ET: Sep P U. Mich. Sentiment and Inflation Expectation Tame
  • 9/15 8:30 AM ET: Sep Empire Manufacturing Survey Tame
  • 9/16 8:30 AM ET: Aug Retail Sales Data Tame
  • 9/16 10:00 AM ET: Sep NAHB Housing Market Index Tame
  • 9/17 9:00 AM ET: Sep M Manheim Used Vehicle Index Tame
  • 9/17 2:00 PM ET: Sep FOMC Decision Dovish
  • 9/18 8:30 AM ET: Sep Philly Fed Business Outlook Tame
  • 9/18 4:00 PM ET: Jul Net TIC Flows Tame
  • 9/22 8:30 AM ET: Aug Chicago Fed Nat Activity Index Tame
  • 9/23 9:45 AM ET: Sep P S&P Global Services PMI Tame
  • 9/23 9:45 AM ET: Sep P S&P Global Manufacturing PMI Tame
  • 9/23 10:00 AM ET: Sep Richmond Fed Manufacturing Survey Tame
  • 9/24 10:00 AM ET: Aug New Home Sales Tame
  • 9/25 8:30 AM ET: Aug P Durable Goods Orders Tame
  • 9/25 8:30 AM ET: 2Q T GDP Mixed
  • 9/25 10:00 AM ET: Aug Existing Home Sales Tame
  • 9/25 11:00 AM ET: Sep Kansas City Fed Manufacturing Survey Tame
  • 9/26 8:30 AM ET: Aug Core PCE Deflator
  • 9/26 10:00 AM ET: Sep F U. Mich. Sentiment and Inflation Expectation
  • 9/29 10:30 AM ET: Sep Dallas Fed Manuf. Activity Survey
  • 9/30 10:00 AM ET: Sep Conference Board Consumer Confidence
  • 9/30 10:00 AM ET: Aug JOLTS Job Openings

Economic Data Performance Tracker 2025:

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

Economic Data Performance Tracker 2024:

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

Economic Data Performance Tracker 2023:

S&P 500 is 10% above its 200-dma and recent local tops are 13% to 15%... too early to call a top

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