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We discuss: why the “hawkish” take by markets from FOMC ultimately reverses in the next few weeks. There are 3 reasons, but the most important is the Fed funds YE 2024 is higher by +50bp because growth is raised by +40bp. Wouldn’t it be worse if Fed raised GDP view but did not raise Fed funds?
Please click below to view today’s Macro Minute (Duration: 8:54).
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Since the FOMC rate decision (2 trading days), the S&P 500 is down -2.5% and down -4% for the month. The market’s viewed the September FOMC rate decision (and summary economic projections, or SEP) hawkishly. Stocks have been under pressure the entire month as US 10-yr yields relentlessly marched higher from 4.0% to nearly 4.5%. Unfortunately, our expectation for equities to gain post-FOMC did not materialize.
- For reasons we discuss below, we view the magnitude of the equity decline and commensurate surge in yields disproportionate to the FOMC rate decision and press conference. Understandably, this sounds like a tall order. After all, yields on the US treasuries surged to multidecade highs yesterday. So the fixed income market reacted strongly to the FOMC.
- The primary driver is the market’s takeaway for the Fed to stay “higher for longer” as the Fed’s SEP (summary economic projections) shows a median “dot plot” of 5.1% for YE 2024, versus 4.6% for the June SEP. In other words, in the past 3 months, the SEP shows the Fed FOMC now expects Fed funds to be +50bp higher with the passage of just 3 months.
- Fed Chair Powell made two clarifications to this rise in median YE 2024 dot plot.
– First, he noted that the “SEP is not a plan that is negotiated or discussed…It’s an accumulation, really…what you see are the medians…from 19 people.”
– Second, the driver for the higher YE 2024 FF is “what it reflects…is that economic activity has been stronger than we expected”
– GDP 2024 median is now +1.5% versus 1.1%, or +40bp higher. So this makes sense. - The “hawkish” take is the Fed has raised the bar for cuts. And the hawkish take is the market driving view. And that means inflation has to come down further and more consistently for the Fed to consider rate cuts. Powell made comments supporting this view:
– “what people are saying is let’s see how the data come in—these good inflation readings that we’ve been seeing for the last three months, we want to see that it’s more than just three months, right?” - The “dovish” take is simply, the SEP is merely the Fed’s guess of the future. And that incoming data will impact that path of that future. There is a military term called “WAG” (wild assed guess) and this is essentially what the SEP is. It is literally the Fed’s guess of the future.
– And with GDP expected to be +40bp
– Could the YE 2024 Fed funds have stayed at 4.6%?
– Wouldn’t the market have been more negative if that was the case? - Moreover, the Fed reiterated a “soft landing” is a primary objective and was declarative of that. But many only focused on an earlier exchange:
– Q: would you call the soft landing now a baseline expectation?
– A: MR. POWELL: No. No, I would not do that.
– Powell likely misspoke or misheard, but that answer drove an immediate sell-off in equities.
BOTTOM LINE: Why is this -2.5% an over-reaction? 3 reasons
There are 3 reasons we believe equities over-reacted to the FOMC press conference.
- First, after re-listening and re-reading the transcript, the “higher for longer” message is not as hawkish given the rise in Fed funds by YE 2024 stems from higher growth. Think about that, wouldn’t it be less logical for the GDP forecast to go up, but the Fed doesn’t think Fed funds needs to adjust?
- There will be a circuit of Fed speakers over the next few weeks, and our take is the “higher for longer DUE to higher GDP” has a more dovish tone, in my view. A hawkish take would be if inflation persistence went up and therefore Fed funds needs to stay high. But the SEP does not have a rise in inflation.
- Second, we need to be mindful that the Fed’s SEP is merely a WAG of the future. And their prior forecasts have seen substantial error relative to what actually happened. As our chart below highlights, the only 3 CPI service categories with high inflation are:
– housing (set to fall)
– transportations services (set to fall)
– “other” — an motley category, hence, called “other” - Third, since 1930, a 4.5% US 10-year yield is not a P/E killer. In fact, the “sweet spot” for P/E is 3.5% to 5.5% yields which have seen an average P/E of ~20X. In fact, US yields below 3.5% are associated with lower P/E.
- Why does a US 10-year have the highest P/E? There are 3 reasons:
– EPS: higher rates = higher nominal GDP growth
– Margin: higher nominal GDP = higher profit margin
– Future Value: high cost of capital = barriers to entry - So these argue P/E today should be higher than P/E at the end of 2019 when Fed funds was 0% and US-10 year was 1.6%. Yet, P/E today is about the same as in 2019.
- Finally, we are exiting some seasonal weakness. And this, in our view, is supportive of stocks recapturing some of that decline.













Key incoming data September
9/1 8:30am ET August Jobs ReportTame9/1 10am ET August ISM ManufacturingTame9/6 10am ET August ISM ServicesMixed9/6 2pm ET Fed releases Beige BookTame9/8 9am ET Manheim Used Vehicle Index August FinalTame9/8 2Q23 Fed Flow of Funds ReportTame-
9/13 8:30am ET August CPIMixed -
9/14 8:30am ET August PPITame -
9/15 8:30am ET September Empire Manufacturing SurveyTame 9/15 10am ET U. Mich. September prelim 1-yr inflationTame-
9/18 8:30am ET September New York Fed Business Activity SurveyTame -
9/18 10am ET September NAHB Housing Market IndexTame 9/19 9am ET Manheim September Mid-Month Used Vehicle Value IndexMixed9/20 2pm ET September FOMC rates decisionMarket saw Hawkish-
9/21 8:30am ET September Philly Fed Business Outlook SurveyMixed - 9/22 9:45am ET S&P Global PMI September Prelim
- 9/25 10:30am ET Dallas Fed September Manufacturing Activity Survey
- 9/26 9am ET July S&P CoreLogic CS home price
- 9/26 10am ET September Conference Board Consumer Confidence
Key incoming data August
8/1 10am ET July ISM ManufacturingTame8/1 10am ET JOLTS Job Openings JunTame8/2 8:15am ADP National Employment ReportHot8/3 10am ET July ISM ServicesTame8/4 8:30am ET July Jobs reportTame8/7 11am ET Manheim Used Vehicle Index July FinalTame8/10 8:30am ET July CPITame8/11 8:30am ET July PPITame8/11 10am ET U. Mich. July prelim 1-yr inflationTame8/11 Atlanta Fed Wage Tracker JulyTame8/15 8:30am ET Aug Empire Manufacturing SurveyMixed8/15 10am ET Aug NAHB Housing Market IndexTame8/16 8:30am ET Aug New York Fed Business Activity SurveyNeutral8/16 2pm ET FOMC MinutesMixed8/17 8:30am ET Aug Philly Fed Business Outlook SurveyPositive8/17 Manheim Aug Mid-Month Used Vehicle Value IndexTame8/23 9:45am ET S&P Global PMI Aug PrelimWeak8/25 10am ET Aug Final U Mich 1-yr inflationMixed8/28 10:30am ET Dallas Fed Aug Manufacturing Activity SurveyTame8/29 9am ET June S&P CoreLogic CS home priceTame8/29 10am ET Aug Conference Board Consumer ConfidenceTame8/29 10 am ET Jul JOLTSTame8/31 8:30am ET July PCETame- 9/1 8:30am ET August NFP jobs report
- 9/1 10am ET August ISM Manufacturing
Key incoming data July
7/3 10am ET June ISM ManufacturingTame7/6 8:15am ADP National Employment ReportHot7/6 10am ET June ISM ServicesTame7/6 10 am ET May JOLTSTame7/7 8:30am ET June Jobs reportMixed7/10 11am ET Manheim Used Vehicle Index June FinalTame7/12 8:30am ET June CPITame7/13 8:30am ET June PPITame7/13 Atlanta Fed Wage Tracker JuneTame7/14 10am ET U. Mich. June prelim 1-yr inflationMixed7/17 8:30am July Empire Manufacturing Survey7/18 8:30am July New York Fed Business Activity Survey7/18 10am July NAHB Housing Market Indexin-line7/18 Manheim July Mid-Month Used Vehicle Value IndexTame7/25 9am ET May S&P CoreLogic CS home priceTame7/25 10am ET July Conference Board Consumer ConfidenceTame7/26 2pm ET July FOMC rates decisionTame7/28 8:30am ET June PCETame7/28 8:30am ET 2Q ECI Employment Cost IndexTame7/28 10am ET July Final U Mich 1-yr inflationTame
Key data from June
6/1 10am ET May ISM ManufacturingTame6/2 8:30am ET May Jobs reportTame6/5 10am ET May ISM ServicesTame6/7 Manheim Used Vehicle Value Index MayTame6/9 Atlanta Fed Wage Tracker AprilTame6/13 8:30am ET May CPITame6/14 8:30am ET May PPITame6/14 2pm ET April FOMC rates decisionTame6/16 10am ET U. Mich. May prelim 1-yr inflationTame6/27 9am ET April S&P CoreLogic CS home priceTame6/27 10am ET June Conference Board Consumer ConfidenceTame6/30 8:30am ET May PCETame6/30 10am ET June Final U Mich 1-yr inflationTame
Key data from May
5/1 10am ET April ISM Manufacturing (PMIs turn up)Positive inflection5/2 10am ET Mar JOLTSSofter than consensus5/3 10am ET April ISM ServicesTame5/3 2pm Fed May FOMC rates decisionDovish5/5 8:30am ET April Jobs reportTame5/5 Manheim Used Vehicle Value Index AprilTame5/8 2pm ET April 2023 Senior Loan Officer Opinion SurveyBetter than feared5/10 8:30am ET April CPITame5/11 8:30am ET April PPITame5/12 10am ET U. Mich. April prelim 1-yr inflationTame5/12 Atlanta Fed Wage Tracker AprilTame5/24 2pm ET May FOMC minutesDovish5/26 8:30am ET PCE AprilTame5/26 10am ET U. Mich. April final 1-yr inflationTame5/31 10am ET JOLTS April job openings
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